can't leave
you have a pm
MttM
i received this in my fb messages today.. "what a sad,sad individual you are.
and all your apostate pals.
you really do need to open your eyes and see whats happening in the world.
can't leave
you have a pm
MttM
does anyone feel threatened by outsiders of the jw world?
does it matter if anyone never has been a jw?.
what about those who have family members who are one, but not they themselves?
Yiz
Sorry but I am a fully rounded human being with a phd in cynicism, degree from the university of life, and a diploma from the school of hard knocks. When I read your post on your wife ssd getting cut off, reading between the lines I saw someone asking for money. Do I feel bad for you? A little but you have to take responsibility for your own actions or in-actions.
I
got just one guy out of the cult after spending months with him and he was just in for 3 years. He's out now and is a truck driver. He regrets divorcing his wife over the false religion and she doesn't want him back after the way he treated her as she was beneath him because she refused to become one of them and gain custody over their child, using that Custody book that the WTS passes out to members who have custody issues.
I must have missed the bit on dubs not being allowed to be truck drivers?!? I guess you have turned him from cult salesman into a prostitute murderer!
Seriously, are you surprised his wife doesn't want to know him? Did he or she use the custody book? (your commentry gets a little lost here). If he did then I am really not surprised she kicked him into touch!
Before I change subject I have one other question. How did you get him out? You said you spent months with him. How did you do it?
I am not a JW or an exJW nor will I ever be either, however I have been made to feel very welcome here. I would even let outlaw come round for a drink(s) with my friends Jonnie and Sally! Maybe a game of cards too!
Even if I spent an entire lifetime getting just one person out, I think it's well worth it.
Interesting statement.......out into what? What if they don't want to be rescued? Are you putting this above everything else?
last night, i went to my parents' house to wash clothes--or so i thought.
apparently, someone's been talking.
so...i get slammed for listening to people on the internet.
Wow! Holy crap! They really tried to put you through the wringer.....
Some of the arguements put forward by your brother sound like those I heard from my MIL when I pointed out the failing of the true religion!
As my dad said, "One thing's for sure, tomorrow that sun's going to come up."
That is a fantastic support line by your Dad!
MTTM
i'd like to hear of other people's experience regarding the jws inclination to pirating software, music, films.. this of course is relative to your country.
because i live in a relatively poor country, the rate of piracy is extremely high, individuals practically never buy software, music and films are bought now and then.
this of course is against the law here too.. so what do jws do?
Take Adobe Photoshop for example. That's one of the most pirated pieces of software out there, and why? How many of these people really need advanced photo editing features that aren't covered in free pieces of software like Paint.Net or Gimp?
Gimp is an awesome program! And the interface and shortcuts are almost photoshop! I love photoshop and what it does but gimp, does everything I need and its FREE!
When I ws a student I think the only free piece of software on my computer was the OS. In addition I had mp3s galore. Not because I wanted them but they were there, although I will say I was more selective in what I downloaded than some friends!
Now I don't tend to copy much apart from albums and tv shows that are hard to find, the only other thing I download is the latest shows of top gear and other tv programs like ashes to ashes, so that I don't miss out. Is it stealing, yes, do I feel bad, not really as I still pay for the bbc.
Does my wife give me the its wrong speech! Hell no! She brought me a free to air satellite systems so I could watch unlimited dish network and cricket and rugby!
hope you all had a wonderful holiday!.
can't say my jw acted outright badly during the holidays with family & friends but there is always a hint of weirdness or extra weirdness in which someone always asks me if my jw is ok?, feeling ok?
something wrong?
Oh yeah can relate to this one!
First year I was here in Canada and the MIL living with us, I wasn't allowed decorations. Christmas cards were kept in the bedroom and there was zero celebration! My wife even felt she should go to work (not that she needed to).
Our friends can't get their brain round how they (JWs) can't celebrate xmas, easter and birthdays and the MIL thinks we all love satan!
3 years on a christmas cards are in the living room, presents for everyone and christmas dinner is back on the table and NO one worked!
Next year I might try for a small tree!
I should also add that birthday s are celebrated in a non birthday way!
married a witness! I thought i was getting a sex kitten but really got a cat!
The board gives me an understanding of witness mentality. It also gives me ideas of how to start getting dearest wife's little grey cells to operate independently!
my manager expects (never directly ordered me), but expects me to have my work laptop booted up at home every evening after work, all weekend long and every holiday so i can monitor my email and promptly respond to emails.. .
am i wrong for being pissed off about this?.
the company i work for is always talking about their "work life balance" program for employees.
elsewhere - your boss has already tagged you with that expectation.
He already expects you should have your laptop on in the evening and weekends so you can check emails.
Just ensure that if you are going to meet that expectation you are giving the appropriate tools to do it and financially rewarded for meeting that expectation
my manager expects (never directly ordered me), but expects me to have my work laptop booted up at home every evening after work, all weekend long and every holiday so i can monitor my email and promptly respond to emails.. .
am i wrong for being pissed off about this?.
the company i work for is always talking about their "work life balance" program for employees.
No not wrong to feel pissed off!
Work life balance is all BS to make managers feel better and supposed to improve productivity! Unfortunately most managers have no clue how to use it to their advantage.
My company has a similar view that I am contactable 24/7. So I have a mobile phone (cell), when it came to be contactable by phone or email 24/7, I said I would be if they gave me to tools to do it. BLACKBERRY! I won't carry my laptop round 24/7, I can't, and are they paying for my internet connection from the house? no didn't think so!
In with this I also expect to be paid appropriately be that cash or vacation time for being effectivily on call 24/7.
this is mostly for those that were recruited by jws from another christian religion.
i was brought up a rc and converted to wts religion when i was young and naive.
when i switched over to wts i felt some anger towards my former religion but it was nothing compare to what i feel towards wts.
To leave the angilcan church you just walk away. Do you need to write a letter, up to you.
My wife is convinced to leave any religion you have to write a letter disassociating yourself. But then thats what she has been taught!
at a certain point, you just get tired of watchtower-bashing.
i kinda miss the awesomeness my life had when things were more normal.
when i didn't know about being in a cult.
Christopher
There is nothing wrong with feeling a little down on days. We all do at times, and what you have been though is huge and that should be in capitals, big font, bold and underlined!
Change is always slow and hard, whilst you said the borg only took maybe 6-10 hours a month of your life it really took more. Not just those hours but the others that you haven't thought about it, the hours you spent on here researching the truth or reading the books! Remember this so called religion gets into every part of your life, from how you dress, what you think, what you eat, everything!
Going from being fully submersed in it to nothing is like a comming off drugs. Hard and painful! I didn't choose religion as my drug, mine were hard liquor, porn and sex!
Anyway in comming off it, I have found my need to build stuff. Chairs, tables, storage for the garden. I got involved with the local greyhound group and photography. I am using the energy that once when into getting high to do something constructive.
I also blow the anger away on at the gym or exercise. Walking the dogs makes them happy but also I allows me to chill out. Doesn't mean get a dog, just do the exercise bit.
The other area to put the energy into is your relationship with wife and child. Go to the park, have a coffee do something fun all together (no religion). Free art galleries, musuems so and so forth.
The feeling tired is from the emotional turmoil, but you know that. Even if it is 10 minutes, get some exercise, fresh air and relax.
While your doing it, reflect on what you do have. Remember your alive, you have freedom, you have a roof and food. Could be worse.
I have no idea if these words help in some way. I hope they do. Unlike many here I haven't been exactly where you are but I know what its like when you give up something that has dominated your life.
Anyway, rambled on for long enough.
Take care
MTTM